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- Subject: Roswell as a Smoking Gun
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- Regarding..
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- >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:21:12 GMT
- >From: Pete Porro <Pete.Porro@F414.N154.Z1.FIDONET.ORG>
- >Subject: Re: ROSWELL FOR 5TH GRADER
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- > If there is a smoking gun in ufology.....it's Roswell.
-
- >And it's aimed right at UFOlogys foot. Roswell was dead two days after it
- >happened. It's a empty bag.
-
- >All the witnesses agree as to what they saw, and it coincides with the AF
- >Mogul report.
-
- Hi Pete,
-
- If the USAF report agrees with the witnesses testimonies, could you point
- out where it details the recovery of the bodies and the subsequent
- autopsies? :)
-
- If "All the witnesses agree as to what they saw", could you please explain
- the following extract from a copy I have of a statement made by Stanton
- Friedman in response to the USAF report:
-
- [START]
- ...Pensioned OSI officer Sheridan Cavitt's new testimony is totally at odds
- with his own previous testimony, with that of others who supposedly
- accompanied him to the crash site, and with the official USAF conclusion!
-
- ...Here is what Cavitt is quoted as saying (Atch 17), "The area of this
- debris was very small, about 20 feet square, and the material was spread on
- the ground, but there was no gouge or crater or other obvious signs of
- impact. I remember recognising this material as being consistent with a
- weather balloon. We gathered up some of this material, which would easily
- fit into one vehicle."
-
- If Cavitt recognised a balloon, why not tell all the investigators??
-
- ...Lt. McAndrew, in contrast, says (Atch 32), "The balloon that was found on
- the Foster Ranch consisted of as many as 23 350 gram balloons spaced at 20
- foot intervals, several radar targets (3 to 5), plastic ballast tubes,
- parchment parachutes, a black "cutoff" box containing portions of a weather
- instrument and a sonabuoy."
-
- ...Major Marcel spoke...in terms of an area 3/4 of a mile long and hundreds
- of feet wide.
-
- ...Brazel was primarily concerned, when he originally found the wreckage on
- about July 3, (not June 14) that his sheep refused to cross the large debris
- field.
- [END]
-
-
- So, we have, say, 20 balloons spaced at 20 foot intervals, several radar
- targets, parachutes, etc. and "The area of this debris was very small,
- about 20 feet square..."
-
- Do you still contend that "All the witnesses agree as to what they saw"?
-
- Cavitt and McAndrew can't agree amongst themselves let alone disagree with
- Marcel and Brazel.
-
- A couple of other points made by Friedman:
-
- [START]
- ...Weaver alludes to profit making by people concerned with Roswell... He
- never mentions that three of the people interviewed, Lt. Colonel Sheridan
- Cavitt, USAF retired, The Mogul Project Officer Colonel Albert Trakowski,
- USAF retired, and weatherman Irving Newton, Major, USAF retired, are all
- collecting nice pensions, get medical care, etc. and have a very strong
- vested interest in NOT upsetting the apple cart at this point in their
- lives. They don't need to be threatened.
-
- ...Weaver also suggests that it would be impossible to conduct a serious
- investigation of crashed flying saucers and alien bodies without leaving a
- huge Air Force paper trail. During World War 2, Dr. Vannevar Bush headed the
- Office of Scientific Research and Development under which aegis the
- Manhatten Project was operated to develop atomic bombs... He noted in his
- Oral History at MIT that there were weekly meetings of the four leaders of
- the Manhatten Project. There were no secretaries, no agendas, no minutes; in
- short, no paper trail. They surely got the job done.
-
- ...Weaver mentions the memo of July 8, 1947, from the Dallas FBI Office and
- uses this quote, "The disc is hexagonal in shape and was suspended from a
- balloon by a cable, which balloon was approximately 20 feet in diameter...
- the object found resembles a high altitude weather balloon with a radar
- reflector.. disc and balloon being transported.."
-
- Weaver leaves out this clause after radar reflector, "but that telephonic
- conversation between their office and Wright Field had not borne out this
- belief."
-
- I think it is fair to say that this omission is significant.
- [END]
-
-
- Within the official USAF report, can you also find a reference and
- explanation for the following:
-
- [START]
- Bill Rickett was a Counter Intelligence Corps officer based in Roswell. He
- had an opportunity to examine some of the wreckage recovered from the Foster
- Ranch. He escorted Dr Lincoln LaPaz, a meteor expert from the New Mexico
- Institute of Meteoritics, on a tour of the crash site and the surrounding
- area.
-
- The material] was very strong and very light. You could bend it but
- couldn't crease it. As far as I know, no one ever figured out what it was
- made of....
-
- It was LaPaz's job to try to find out what the speed and trajectory of the
- thing was. LaPaz was a world-renowned expert on trajectories of objects in
- the sky, especially meteors, and I was told to give him all the help I
- could.
-
- At one point LaPaz interviewed the farmer [Mac Brazel]. I remember
- something coming up during their conversation about this fellow thinking
- that some of his animals had acted strangely after this thing happened. Dr
- LaPaz seemed very interested in this for some reason.
-
- LaPaz wanted to fly over the area, and this was arranged.
-
- He found one other spot where he felt this thing had touched down and then
- taken off again. The sand at this spot had been turned into a glass-like
- substance. We collected a box full of samples of this material. As I
- recall, there were some metal samples here, too, of that same sort of thin
- foil
- stuff. LaPaz sent this box off somewhere for study; I don't know or recall
- where, but I never saw it again. This place was some miles from the other
- one.
-
- LaPaz was very good at talking to people, especially some of the local ranch
- hands who didn't speak a lot of English. LaPaz spoke Spanish. I remember he
- found a couple of people who had seen two -- I don't know what to call them,
- UFOs I suppose -- anyway, had seen two of these things fly over very slowly
- at a very low altitude on a date, in the evening, that he determined had
- been a day or two after the other one had blown up. These people said
- something about animals being affected, too....
-
- Before he went back to Albuquerque, he told me that he was certain that this
- thing had gotten into trouble, that it had touched down for repairs, taken
- off again, and then exploded. He also felt certain there were more than one
- of these devices, and that the others had been looking for it.
-
- At least that's what he said. He was positive the thing had malfunctioned.
- [END]
-
-
- No?
-
- You mean they did not interview such a renowned meteor expert who had vital
- first hand testimony from the actual scene?
-
- Well, what about the area where "The sand at this spot had been turned into
- a glass-like substance". This was surely discussed?
-
- No?
-
- I could of course detail numerous other examples, but the point has been
- made.
-
- Roswell _is_ still a smoking gun.
-
- Both barrels.
-
-
- Cheers,
-
- James.
-
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